KEEP MS JO SHUTER AT KING SOLOMON

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2014-05-10 10:02



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#77

2014-05-10 11:36

Ha ha removed my post again and again and again foolish people!

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#78

2014-05-10 14:44

#77
they remove mine non stop as well, seems like they are afraid of the truth.
HelenZ

#79 Keep Ms Shuter at KSHS

2014-05-10 15:08

As many have already said, Ms Shuter has made good changes already in the short time she has been our Headteacher. Knowing that she has done this in a short time just think how KSHS could excell with her staying longterm. "Let the teachers do what they do best and teach the children their school subjects." Thank you x

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#80

2014-05-10 15:20

IF I COMMENT WILL YOU DELETE IT AGAIN??

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#81

2014-05-10 15:30

I believe that the school does not depend only on the head and the teachers. It also depends on the kids and the support they get from their parents. If they have a bad example at home they shall bring this to the school. If the children cannot take criticism they will retaliate when criticism is given. KS has many good teachers. Like every school you have the good ones, great ones, memorable ones and the bad ones. It is the general rule of life, but it is not Shuter who makes KS better, it is the teachers, my kids have received a lot of support when needed from their teachers, from Rabbi Bruce, Ms Shutz, Ms Carmel Brown. Changing teachers is something that any institution does. Teachers get new opportunities and move on, new one comes, some good some bad. But the whole of a school is not the HEAD, it is a unison of all those who work in the school, it is making decisions by consulting the staff and taking into consideration their opinion and coming to a solution that shall be good for all and not a small portion.
When Mr Lewis was head I never had any problem with him, all the times I need to speak to him, or his help he was very helpful.
I am really struggling to see what great changes she made, a part from trying to get rid of the Jewish studies and Jewish festivals.


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#82 Re:

2014-05-10 16:51

#81: -

Very well said.....please don't delete this post....everyone should be able to (cleanly!) express their opinions.....

MEG 7

#83

2014-05-10 17:14

I really hope that the decision is made to Keep Ms Shuter! Reading all the articles and I have for and against she made a mistake admitted it apologised and it was her previous Job not KS. In addition to the aforementioned she left that school in a better financial state despite her own errors! Since starting at KS I am really impressed with the school and she has been exceptionally supportive in certain matters. The Ofsted is very favourable and with her continuing at KS it can only get better and better and better.

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#84 Re: Re:

2014-05-10 17:25

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Thank you 81.

I think very few people are on the same page at the moment. It is a pity, I moved to Redbridge so my kids could go to a nice Jewsih school and community as where I was before there wasn't any Jewish school around. My youngest went to IJPS then into KS and my eldest to KS from a mainstream school in SE London.

When I first visited KS I immediately felt welcomed and liked the school. as I before it is not only the head that makes the school successful it is also down to teachers, admin staff, security, canteen workers, cleaners.... You have to work as a team, this hasn't been happening at KS.

People quote the Torah saying that you must forgive, but you can still forgive someone for doing you harm but you may still want them to learn a lesson and they still need to be punished for wrong doing. So a rapist should be given a second chance a Thief? A  murderer? Any one who has done wrong will have to answer for their mistake, do you not pusnish your child when they do wrong?

I find that the majority of parents who support her attack us viciously and show that by trying to demean us. In my opinion people who say forget it, she hasn't done anything bad to anyone at KS,  she has turned the school around are clearly parents who need to understand the case.

If any teacher would have been rude to their child, would have abused their position as a teacher these parents would want this teacher struck off ASAP, why is it then that they make so many allowances for Shuter?

Sometimes I feel like I live in a third world country where people bow and say amen to the people who are clearly in the wrong.

By getting rid of JS and the JEwsih festivals she was aiming towards turning the school into an academy, where more money would be available, JS was a barrier in her path. Do notice that during her probation period she was acting all nice and pleasant. As soon as it was over her attitude changed a lot. Starting with making JS a core subject.

It is a pity, our community is small, and I would like to see it survive, but if Shuter continues it will be wiped out and more parents will move their kids to Jcos, JFS or Yavneh. Can you imagine this happening in any of these schools? No, so much so that Mr Lewis went to Yavneh a good Jewish school. If he was so rubbish as they say why did Yavneh want him?


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#85

2014-05-10 18:22

OFSTED!! That's a joke, how can you listen to them. I know of a nursery that got an outstanding it was then taken away and given a satisfactory a few months later. Not all reports are accurate. And anyway everyone is always on their best behaviour when an inspector is in town.

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#86

2014-05-10 19:26

Be careful what you wish for #84 There is a lack of headteachers in the UK and we need a jewish headteacher. Yavnah took Mr Lewis because their head sadly passed away and there is a lack of Headteachers. Did anyone blink when Mr Lewis left NO but the prospect of losing Ms Shuter has prompted an outcry. The same happened in her last school. She was voted Head Teacher 2007!!! I admit she thought she was invincible but she has learnt her lesson KS will get the good side of this teacher
rebecca

#87

2014-05-10 19:52

I really hope ms shuter stays. I am sorry but the parents petitioning against her should have done so when we heard she was appointed back last July. I may have even signed it then. But no-one petitioned and she was appointed....the Board of Govenors decided to give her a chance even though it was at the expense of losing one of their govenors who disagreed. I am sure this was not done lightly. Many many parents including myself were unsure and worried but decided to give her the chance because we were desperate!! We all know what the school was like b4 she started and it was getting worse. We all breathed a sigh of relief when we heard Mr Lewis was leaving. You ask what kind of a role model is she...well what kind of a role model was the school giving to my kids when they went into school with physical fights every day in the dining hall with 3 teachers trying unsuccessfully to break the fight. Logging onto fb to see a video being posted of a fight at ks with kids cheering. Mobiles phone out constantly in class lessons.... Mr Lewis couldnt be bothered to discipline these children....he gave up on them!! He was never a role model for my kids. since ms shuter we don't hear any of this...no more fights in the dining hall, she managed to expel kids that were just plain troublemakers within weeks etc. If the school doesn't get any better sooner rather than later more and more Jews will either move out of Essex or not bother sending their kids to ks. The majority of parents want a good school that is doing well academically....are they bothered whether their kids have to take js as a subject for gcse? I don't think so....they are still being taught js. I am a modern orthodox Jew, if I thought the jewish ethos of the school was in jeopardy I wld be very upset and concerned but I don't feel or see that in anyway. All festivals are and were celebrated. Lots of comments have been made and everyone should be allowed to have their opnion but some are just outright lies I guess to justify their lies.


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#88

2014-05-10 20:21

Everyone read #87 powerful words. What will happen to KS if we lose Jo Shuter

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#89

2014-05-10 20:47

My husband and I met with Ms Shuter very early on because like everyone, we were sceptical about her being able to make the changes, especially dealing with the poor teaching standards.
With my son in year 10 it was of paramount importance to get that right in order to secure the university place he aspires to.
She listened to us and convinced us she could make the necessary changes in the short space of time available and this has definitely happened. The quality of teaching has improved, discipline has improved and the kids are more engaged. I've not seen any difference in the level of Jewish holiday celebrations taking place compared with previous years.
She is a down to earth, happy, smiling person who is hugely likeable unlike her pompous predecessor!

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#90

2014-05-10 21:03

#87 I thought it was innocent till proven guilty. Why would anyone petition until it was proven. Only now has Jo Shuter admitted to it so that's why the petition to remove her has begun .
I don't see powerful words just another sheep following the herd! Baa baa baa
rebecca

#91 Re:

2014-05-10 21:41

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When I heard ms shuter was going to be the new head, as a concerned parent, i did my research and I found this article.

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/jo-shuter-there-was-a-blurring-of-my-personal-and-professional-worlds-it-was-incredibly-stupid-8664781.html

 

From reading this, as I am sure you must of as a concerned parent, I understood that she admitted to it and rightly or wrongly explained  her reasons, so really had you felt so strongly you shld of petitioned.  You really don't need to be so personal, like I said everyone is entitled to their opinion!!


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#92

2014-05-11 01:59

#91, Oh please her response in this article is poor. Why would she not claim for taxi's when she was ill over £3000 but thought it was ok to claim for personal use. What was she doing coming into school after spinal surgery anyway she couldn't of been that ill! Does that mean she was claiming sick pay too? Plus, for someone that was earning £170k why would you need to use school money to fund your party it just doesn't make sense. I'm sure she's not that stupid not to realise that it wasn't her money to use for personal use. She got caught and now she's trying to wriggle out of it. A number of politicians have done similar things by using taxpayers money and you would all be quick to condemn them. It's only right that she doesn't return to KS.

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#93

2014-05-11 02:09

why are you focusing on what she did at another school try and focus on what she did at our school. Read above comments from parents 1. she employed strong enthusiastic teachers 2. stopped bully 3. stopped daily fights in the dinning room 4. removed teachers who wanted an easy life before retiring. Everything she has done has been positive. If she is sacked it will be a loss to education, a loss to KS and most important a loss to our children

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#94

2014-05-11 07:34

Well said #93

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#95

2014-05-11 09:10

People, just don't get the whole idea of wrong... By continuing she will kill thenjewsih Ethos, by killing the Jewish Ethos,she will turn the school into an academy, by turning the school into an academy IJPS will suffer as well, because parents from IJPS would like their kids to continue is a Jewish school. KS losing its Jewish ethos will not be an option for them, hence they will send them to Jcos, JFS, Yaveneh and so on. By doing that the Jewish community of Redbridge, which isn't that big, will dimish in time.
When Shuter decided to change Jewish studies to a core subject there was a reason behind it all.
She began saying that new courses would be introduced. Fair enough. Drama, French, photography, philosophy. Why photography it is beyond me, anyway., to fund these course she needs money, KS doesn't have money, so what better way to do it the turning JS into a core subject, this way they won't need as many JS teachers and with their wages she can use it for the other courses. Now what message does that send out to you parents. Many will say, yes I am happy JS became a core subject. But let me ask you something, why did you put your child in KS to start with, this of course to the Jewish parents? I did because I wanted my kids to be raised in a jewsih community, with jewsih values. Call me old fashioned but to me the sense of community always brought me a feeling of well being and a place I knew I belonged..
Now having a Jewish head is something rare to find, but I am sorry Shuter has no Jewish values and she does not enjoy the Jewish festivities.
In regards to the sum of money that she admitted taking, her excuses are feeble . She told the year 11's not to judge her on what is in the papers, but went on to explain some of the reasons why she did it. " I bought furniture for my house, it didn't fit well, so I swapped it with the school's furniture?"
Come on, does she love the feeling of being in a school that much that she takes the school furniture. Her reasons for what she did are feeble and you can see right through them. Had she said yes I took them because I was dishonest then it would be another story, but still she wouldn't be able to continue the work.
What also amazes me is why with such a high salary she couldn't fund her own birthday. Do parents take money from their work to fund their kids bar/bat mitzvahs?
Also let me question the board of governors, why the hell did they hire someone who was still being investigated, wasn't it irresponsible, they knew that the story wasn't over. Wouldn't it have been better to wait till she was cleared and if so all of this could have been avoided. But in light of desperation so much from their side and her side they struck a deal. She took it because she needed to restart building her reputation, KS needed a head.
But all in all they did both wrong and if Shuter is banned from teaching the board of governors should as well go and a new one created, hopefully with a bit more sense.
There are always people up for a challenge and in need of a job, I don't believe there is no one wanting a job as head.
As I said before a school works as a team, the head does not do miracles.
If she stays our community dies, if you parents want that then fair enough, why did u put your kids in KS to start with? No other options? I put my kids there because of the Jewish ethos and community, and so far they have done really well.

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#96 #95

2014-05-11 10:39

WOW ! I ditto ALL of the above well said PLUS the fact that she is WAY too familiar with OUR children, befriending them to the point of them not speaking to their own parents of their problems and sucking them in to her web!! I have first hand experience of this and seemingly have no where to turn for help!!! ............

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#97

2014-05-11 11:09

#95 I agree too.
#96 I didn't know she was befriending students like that. How upsetting for you as a parent who's experienced this. I must speak to my child too see if he's noticed any of this.

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#98 Re:

2014-05-11 11:54

#97: -

95 and 96

I as well heard about her befriending the kids and I find it very innapropriate.

My kids many time asked her not to touch her hair.

When she had an issue she said come and speak to me, my kid said, thank you but I only speak to my mum.

agreeing to disagree

#99

2014-05-11 11:56

What is happening here between 2 sets of parents with differing view points is incredibly disappointing to see. Why can't both sides respect eachothers right to an opinion and just agree to disagree. This is like a thread on Babies Babies Babies, a forum of predominantly NW London mums, where things get nasty and personal all too often. I moved to Essex because I had the impression you lot behaved differently as a community, with less self righteousness and bitchiness. Please just stop all this nonsense.

The side that are for Jo Shuter: understand that those without any personal liking towards her will view this no differently than you all viewed the politicians expenses scandal. No differently! In fact, what did you think of Cameron showing favour for Maria Miller to the point of saying she could return 'in due course'? I'm sure you didn't think 'well Cameron can clearly see she's done a lot of good which must outweigh the bad, here here!'

The side that are against Jo Shuter: there are always 2 sides to every story and there is a genuine risk that KS will not get the headship it needs. The 'pro-Jo' parents are justified in their concern of her leaving and you also need to respect their viewpoint.

So really parents, stop taking it as a personal outrage that someone's view differs to yours. Embrace it. Debate it. But don't hate it.

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#100 Re:

2014-05-11 12:16

#99: agreeing to disagree -

Very wise. I am just stating my opinion and I am people attack.

I do not agree with David Cameron and never voted for him, I actually think that the Political situation in this country i very daunting and people are blind as well.

There are many wrongs in this country and these wrongs should be punsihed and set as an example. But it is not the case, Wrong seems to prevail.