Hands Off Hartlebury Common
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2011-09-16 19:08- Date of removal: 2011-09-16
- Reason for removal: They dont look insulting to me. They look like people who have joked about the cattle or asked you questions. There was one with bad language further back but you were happy to copy that for everyone to see.
post 1469 said
What would be his comments should the cattle get chased and fall down the incline? one thing for sure there will be plenty of dog meat.
post 1470 said
Tony Barnett is a slaughterman, we can get him to skin a few for us, free steaks and roast.
post 1471 said
How could they prosecute him under that act though. Its vehicles being driven without lawful authority, vehicles without specific permission. How do we know that he doesn't have permission?
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#14772011-09-16 20:24THE REAL FUNNY SIDE WILL BE WHEN THIS IGNORANT FARMER AND WCC ARE MET WITH A BILL FOR RE-INSTATEMENT OF THE COMMON, THE LEGISLATION PROVIDES THAT THE OFFENDERS MUST RE-INSTATE, THAT MEANS THE NATURAL pH OF THE SOIL. I HAVE HAD THAT JUDGEMENT PASSED IN MY FAVOUR ON A NUMBER OF CASES WHEN BEFORE A CIRCUIT JUDGE, AND ONCE IN THE CROWN COURT SHREWSBURY. TONY BARNETT |
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Steve McCarron |
#1480 COWARD2011-09-16 22:49"They own the common so who is going to bill them you stupid old twat. God you're as thick as shit." |
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Steve McCarron |
#1483 cowardice2011-09-16 23:09"He's an old man. I could blow him over " |
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#1485 BRING IT ON?2011-09-17 01:04"Bring it on." |
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Maccarron I've read and read and read the stuff on this forum and the other forums that strangely vanished. I've read the facts and the 'facts', I've read the abuse and put up with abuse once or twice. I've had posts deleted for absolutely no good reason at all and seen other innocuous posts deleted.
I've seen pictures that do not measure up to the claims and watched your arguements run round in circles.
I'm now happy that the work is legal, I have the paperwork and information in front of me. I can properly tell you what sort of common it is, I could give you the title number from the land registry if I wanted- which I don't because you should know it already and I have reams of paperwork on applications and decisions. I'll be happy to walk the common and legally ride on it if I want to, in the full and informed knowledge that you and your 'legal advisor' are talking out of your rears (and that's the rudest I've been on here).
A Walker
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2011-09-17 09:49- Date of removal: 2011-09-17
- Reason for removal: You've lost. The cows are on. All your meetings meant nothing. The people's time you've wasted. The time you've wasted on here all your posts. Now your arguments have gone from common ownership to tree cutting to erosion to wildlife to illegal fencing and now to killer cattle. Pathetic mccarron and Barnett. People have listened to you but your campaign has FAILED and the proof of that is by the fence being erected and the cows grazing. Now leave it alone and go and pester another organisation. No I do not work for the council I'm a dog walker. You've been on here and have abused people have tried to stir up issues with the travellers and have told lies. My advice to you is to accept it and move on. There will be no more posts on here from me as I feel by people posting who agree with the work just fuels your petty debate. I don't give a hoot about the so called thousands of signatures. I dont see any other protest from anyone apart from you Tony and someone you abused you call carol. If my maths is still up to date that makes 3. People have provided good arguments against your campaign which you have copied and pasted articles that you think you know what you're talking about when you haven't a clue. The cattle don't bother people or their dogs. I'm living proof of that. People still go there, the same people I see every day. You see no one actually cares about you steve. The work has gone ahead and there is nothing you can do about it. Signed mr guest.
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Steve McCarron |
#1492 Duplicate incident2011-09-17 12:02Have you been in a field and seen a lurcher running for its life being chased by cattle with no calves in sight? |
Steve McCarron |
#1493 Really2011-09-17 12:25"Reason for removal: "You've lost. The cows are on. All your meetings meant nothing. The people's time you've wasted. The time you've wasted on here all your posts. Now your arguments have gone from common ownership to tree cutting to erosion to wildlife to illegal fencing and now to killer cattle. Pathetic mccarron and Barnett. People have listened to you but your campaign has FAILED and the proof of that is by the fence being erected and the cows grazing. Now leave it alone and go and pester another organisation. No I do not work for the council I'm a dog walker. You've been on here and have abused people have tried to stir up issues with the travellers and have told lies. My advice to you is to accept it and move on. There will be no more posts on here from me as I feel by people posting who agree with the work just fuels your petty debate. I don't give a hoot about the so called thousands of signatures. I dont see any other protest from anyone apart from you Tony and someone you abused you call carol. If my maths is still up to date that makes 3. People have provided good arguments against your campaign which you have copied and pasted articles that you think you know what you're talking about when you haven't a clue. The cattle don't bother people or their dogs. I'm living proof of that. People still go there, the same people I see every day. You see no one actually cares about you steve. The work has gone ahead and there is nothing you can do about it. Signed mr guest." 2/ The meetings are getting bigger and as big as we want them to be.
7/ I have copied and pasted articals that I fully understand
I do not care if nobody cares about me, there are an awful lot of people who are concerned with theft and criminal damage, fraud, misrepresentation, illegal use of ratepayers money etc etc. Your last word on the subject! Get real, you know you cannott resist. If you were so bloody right and I was so bloody wrong, I would not be on you conciousness. You will be back because its all you can do.
ps, what dog have you got?
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2011-09-17 12:39- Date of removal: 2011-09-17
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I've had a look at your links to the people involved and on the whole theres a theme. Ihope they NEVER put pregnant cows on the common or cows with calves.
'A WOMAN was trampled to death by a herd of cows after falling while trying to retrieve her dog, an inquest heard today. The pair had decided to walk their dogs in the field, which did not have a designated footpath. Detective Constable Rya Cowan, of South Wales Police, said Ms Hinchey became separated from her friend while trying to retrieve her dog which had wandered off.
'the incident, which is believed to have occurred when the cows – currently raising calves – were startled by Mrs Duffy’s dog and ran at her.'
'Mr Penn, was with his 14-month-old dog, Kelso, when he noticed the animals ahead, and among them was a calf. They headed back straight away, but before they knew it the remainder of the herd came crashing up through undergrowth and surrounded them.' (very unlucky- the cattle had escaped onto the land he was on)
'Mr. Stephenson told the rambler who found him that his dog had spooked the herd causing them to turn aggressive and charge. He tried to get away but it is believed that he tripped and a wall prevented him from escaping. A pathologist said heart disease may have affected recovery. '
"I (Mr Poole) had Zak on a lead but I think they were still bothered by his presence. Suddenly, one cow started mooing and then others began running towards me. There were about 50 of them. Some were cows with calves but all were fully grown. I was extremely lucky - but it was unlucky the cows attacked in the first place. It is very rare but obviously it can happen.'
'she was walking in a field with two dogs, a brown and white spaniel and a collie-type dog, both on their leads, when the sight of the dogs panicked the animals. A police spokeswoman said: "She was surrounded by a herd of cattle and calves, and as a result of dogs being present the cattle reacted in an aggressive manner." Liz Crowsley, 49, may have been trying to protect her two pet dogs, who escaped injury and were found running free near her body. Cows are highly protective of their newly-born calves at this time of year and farmers warn walkers they may attack, especially if a dog is in their field.'
Duplicate incident
Duplicate incident
Mrs Warn, 60, said she and her friend had their labradors on short leads after parking at Broadwindsor and setting off on the Wessex Ridgeway.“There were about 40 cows with their calves,” she said.“We had just entered the field when they attacked us. “They came at us and surrounded us but fortunately we had not made it far from the gate so three of us made it out.'
'(Mr Williams) said he punched the animal on the head and then on the nose before he kicked out to frighten it away. Eventually the cow spotted her calf on the other side of the track and moved off.'Bill Luscombe, chairman of the Harford and Ugborough Commoners Association, said the cow appeared to be trying to protect its calf at the time.'
Dupilicate incident
Cows can become aggressive and charge, especially when calves are present and walkers are accompanied by dogs, said the National Farmers Union (NFU).
(general sdvice article)'The union and the Ramblers' Association both advise that walkers release dogs from their leads when passing through a field of cows. "The cattle are interested in the dog, not the walker," said Robert Sheasby, Rural Surveyor at the NFU. "As the cattle try to get the dog, there's a high chance they will get the walker too."
'A FARMER has died after he was crushed by a cow. David Hallworth suffered serious head and chest injuries when the heifer crushed him while he was working at a farm in High Peak.'
Duplicate incident
(Advice article) Ed Rees, of the National Farmers' Union Cymru, said: "You shouldn’t be afraid of the cattle. You shouldn’t express fear. Just simply walk where you want to go. “But if you’ve got a fear, just take a walking stick with you – and just simply be bold and walk straight through them." The union said that walkers with dogs are most endangered, because cattle are naturally protective towards their calves and can lash out if fearful. "These animals are just protecting themselves and they see the dog as a threat to themselves and their calves," Mr Rees said. Farming unions say that dog-walkers who felt threatened by cattle should always let their dog off the lead. "If they come towards you, let the dog go, because the cattle are simply protecting themselves and they see the dog as the enemy,” Mr Rees said. “They’re not really interested in you but if you try and hold your dog and protect your dog, then you could be in trouble.”
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Steve McCarron |
#14972011-09-17 13:27"Please don't threaten me with the travellers. I know most of them myself. Mr loveridge and I speak regularly. Why do you need to know about my dogs? So you can stalk me? Well I've got two lurchers and a lab if that makes you happy."
Sorry, what do you talk about then? It really suits you anonymity |
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#1498 Re:2011-09-17 15:57YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME ARGUING WITH THEM STEVE, JUST DELETE WITHOUT ANY COMMENT, LET THEM STEW IN THEIR OWN FRUSTRATION, WHEN/IF THE TIME COMES, I CAN LOOK AFTER MYSELF TONY BARNETT |
CAROL |
#1499 INCIDENT NUMBER12011-09-17 16:22A GENTLEMAN WAS WALKING ON THE COMMON THE OTHER DAY ,THE CATTLE WERE OVER BY THE HORSES, GOT SPOOKED AND CHARGED ACROSS THE PATH WHERE HE WAS WALKING HE GOT BEHIND A TREE. THERE YOU GO INCIDENT NUMBER 1. HAS'NT TAKEN LONG HAS IT TONY/STEVE HAVE TRIED TO PHONE YOU STEVE I WILL KEEP TRYING. |
Guest |
#1500 Re: INCIDENT NUMBER12011-09-17 19:46#1499: CAROL - INCIDENT NUMBER1 HI CAROL, THANKS FOR THAT, IF YOU SEE THE CHAP AGAIN, YOU MIGHT ASK HIM IF HE WILL MAKE A STATEMENT, OR REPORT THE MATTER TOO THE COUNCIL. STEVE IS OVER BIRMINGHAM WITH VANESA, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT IT, MY PHONE NUMBER IS 01630 685164 TONY BARNETT |
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