Суд над Бхагавад-гитой / Attempt to ban Bhagavad-gita

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Dear Prabhus | PAMHO | AGTSP

Then.......if you have 12 quotes and did not present them before the court, why?

All over Europe you are put into imprisonment on remand when calling others criminal and not having them properly convicted by legally binding court decision.

Ancient principle of 'no plaintiff, no judge'. The US Prabhupadanugas could not manage to bring valid legal means before the court of law? Why? What went wrong? Nothing was presented at court?

According European law you are spotless unless there is a legally binding court decision. Additionally, Radhanatha Swami is jewish. Calling a Jew that he is a criminal without having a court decision brings you behind bars additionally for three more years.

You don't have such laws in US, but please consider that there are other countries with other laws. Europeans cannot indulge in such accusation what is de facto not even civil law but criminal law.

Furthermore, the limitation period for such claim, even if it was admissable, might be already expired.

Next thing is, Krishna did not stop Radhanatha. The opposite happened, he could start a huge success story in India.

And this is the main point here, we don't live in the epoch of mahabharata where ksatriyas fought for justice. Devotees in Lord Caitanya's Sankirtan movement basically depend on Krishna's arrangement and nothing else.

If by Krishna's arrangement we are in the position to act like Prabhupada used to mention to enforce e.g. stuff like cow protection, then devotees of Lord Caitanya's Sankirtan movement surely do this.

However, the situation right now is rather the opposite, our position is to tolerate, to pers*vere and to be humble.

They say ISKCON has worldwide 1 mio congregational members. Meanwhile these 1 mio people all heard about these accusations. Is there anybody convinced that the Prabhupadanugas are correct?

So far when reading the forums of rank&file ISKCONites, they fight back against the Prabhupadanugas like mad. Not that they are afraid of the GBC and keep quiet. No, they fight like crazy against us, all of them.

So, to go on calling them homosexuals, criminals, murderers, without having legal means to present before a court is rather a complete waste of effort. ISKCON's congregation is dissociating from the Prabhupadanugas more and more.

Instead we have to defeat them philosophically with solid sastrical proof and actually follow Prabhupada's footsteps. Isnt this the actual meaning of Prabhupadanuga? To do things like Prabhupada did it?

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Thanks Larry Freeman, pamho, agtSP, agreed, the whole thing is illegal. Same situation when 1937 Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja left this physical world.

It took 30 years till they realized that they were stuck and Prabhupada was having success to follow the order of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja and establish Lord Caitanya's global Sankirtan Movement.

If people want to be cheated Krsna sends them an appointed neophyte conditioned soul guru and both, cheater and cheated are happy. This is present status, ISKCON's congragational members fight like mad against the Prabhupadanuga process.

At the same time, this is the scheme of this material world, especially kali-yuga, cheaters are evrywhere. As soon as cheated disciples wake up and want a genuine spiritual master, Krsna arranges the needfull. This much faith we must have. Thats what Prabhupada says, "As soon as sees, Krsna, that, “Here is a sincere person who wants Me,” He’ll give you nice guru. * Guru-krsna* *krpa. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadat*. And if you have really a bona fide guru, then by pleasing him you will get the favor of Krsna."

Therefore, explain what is genuine spirituality and when you are able to convince people about what is genuine guru-tattva, Krsna will do the rest, remove the deviants, remove the obstacles.

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Dear Prabhus, Hare Krishna, I also think , is this an example of someone (Radhanatha) we want representing the Hare Krishna movement? I guess there wasnt enough evidence against Radhanath, or more than likely he testified against Bhaktipada for not being prosecuted. There were a number of known child molesters in NV in 1985... like Sri Galim, Lalit, that black bodied man with the 3 muslim wives dressed in white that used to stick hoses down the kids throat and beat them. He beat his wives too. Did any of them serve time? Probably no, I butt many of them are still molesting others.. well they didnt get punishment this life they will sooner or later, Krishna will make sure of it. Lakshmi

- Sri Ishopanishad, purport by Srila Prabhupada -

"By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative Acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession… Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called Acaryas,…

These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification."

The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles. By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession.

THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA--"ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA"--and Krsna's statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, "This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession." Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas. These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Isopanisad 12)

SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION. (Bg.16.19-20)

Jackals who imitate Prabhupada's unique position of being worshiped as acarya (as good as God) who want their photos put on alter and their socks worhiped MUST be exposed -- Prabhupada's order.

"So the washerman kept the dye water in a big tub, and the jackal fell in it. So jackal fell in it; he became blue, all blue. So he fled away, and all the animals said, "What is this animal? What is the animal? What is that animal? Oh?" All, even lion became surprised. "We have not seen this." "So who are you, sir?" "I am sent by God to rule over you." "Oh?" So they began to worship him as God, as leader. Then one day other jackals, they were crying, "Wa, wa," but the jackals cannot stop. If others jackals cry, the jackal cannot stop. So he also began to "Wa, wa." Oh, then, they, oh, this rascal is a jackal. Yavat kincin na bhasate. That these rascals are jackals. Now they are talking nonsense. We can detect that "Here is a jackal." (730503mw.la)

SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA. NOT ONLY SCIENTIFIC, ALL POLITICAL THINGS, SOCIAL THINGS, EVERYTHING.