Save Miramar Golf Club's existing Front 9…
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Copy of Letter to the Chairman of the Miramar Golf Club - Evan Bayly
2023-08-22 04:34:5122 August 2023
Kia ora koutou,
I haven't sent anything since the farce, of an SGM as I wanted to reflect and consider all responses first.
The Board and Management of the Miramar Golf Club should all reflect on the professional delivery and consistency when presenting information and advising members of the state of our club, and the options available that have been investigated as we downsize to a 9-hole golf course, particularly as this has been worked on for over two years now.
What stands out to me, given my experience in the management of various businesses these last few decades, is that this could be read as misinformation, straight out lies and/or misdirection.
There have been several reasons for this, and I would like to highlight just a few being:
The latest Newsletter received Friday 18th August:
At the members information evening in June, the possibility of a full playing subscription of $996 was suggested with other already discounted, member categories like U30 and Senior Active staying at the rates those categories paid last year. After feedback from members within those categories, the Board's decision was to extrapolate the savings across the varying membership categories. The 2-year subscription offer equates to an annual sub of only $917.50 over the two years.
The notice infers it has feedback from two categories of membership, under 30 and senior active and from these two categories it was decided to extrapolate savings across all the members categories. That on its own is really an extraordinary tiny sampling of the membership to make such a decision. My understanding, and I may be corrected, is that there was less than 7 members of the under 30 category that met with the board. Did any of the petitioners get the opportunity to speak to the Board on membership fees? Please let me know if you did.
The Club has raised a flyer for the neighbours, I will ensure this is included in the next email, it has some interesting points.
The re-routing of 2 and 5 due to ball escape in some opinions has been a contrived and inaccurate assessment of an issue that has been exacerbated by the club. The lowering and moving of the tees have impacted on the issue by reducing ball escape, that should have been enough, however if we consider previous timeframes neighbours had to wait for any issue to be rectified and current timeframes waiting for issues to be addressed it is no wonder our neighbours are annoyed.
If any one of the petitioners can make any sense out of the club financials, can you please inform me and other petitioners of where you believe we sit as I find it extremely difficult to make sense out of the figures provided. Quick example, in one newsletter we were advised we are going to have a forecasted cash shortfall of $1.8 million how and why?
I could add so much more like how the contracts to the various Consultants and Contractors have been dealt with or a more developed breakdown of costs for the works being progressed prior to the SGM, that were asked for when I, along with Charles Purcell and Tony Short met with Evan, Doug and Deloitte’s but these were never received.
The manipulations that have been evident in the last Voting’s tells me that there is more to come when we decide if we should sell the Social, Conference and Carparking Assets to WIAL, as has been mentioned, as these will undoubtably include the Driving Range and Par 3 Options and require the existing holes 8 & 9 to be lost and why no irrigation system is planned in the upcoming works.
Unfortunately, my personal feeling now is that I am not comfortable that the Board has the experience or knowledge necessary to ensure a realistic and professional future for this Club that I have been honoured to have been a member of, until recently.
Noho ora mai
Mike Hinton
Notice to petitioners - Miramar Golf Club SGM Summary
2023-08-12 21:36:57Kia ora koutou,
This is a brief overview of what my impressions of what the SGM was like and the potential consequences.
I would first like to give a brief bio of who I am and why I am pursuing this.
My name is Mike Hinton and I am of Ngati Raukawa descent I was born in Christchurch and are married with a blended family of 5.
I have spent 20 years in the military, worked overseas in a helicopter logging organisation, Ops Manager for Manukau Urban Maori Authority 17 years, been the GM for Restorative Practices Aotearoa 10+ years and am currently the CE of a Social Service Agency with more than 60 staff. My work history explains some of my understanding of people, finance and the application of the principles of tika and pono in all that I do.
To date the communication and hui held regarding the conversion of the golf course and the evolution of the club with the impending loss of the back nine I consider to have been mis-leading, confusing, incomplete and divisive. The meeting held on Monday the 7th at the club was a continuance of the same delivery style chaotic and unstructured with many distractions.
You will be aware of the results of the two motions as highlighted in the club’s email of 10th August 2023.
1. Upgrade and enhancement of the 9 holes we own
2. Allow members to return a postal ballot by email
Both motions were passed and we move forward.
The petition has and continues to seek clarity and consistency from the Board and Management of the club to ensure we as members are fully informed of what is going on with the club in terms of development of the course and future direction of the club as an entity. So we are able to make informed decisions.
The SGM was filled with distractions and information that detracted from why we were there and created more confusion for many of the members.
A couple of these as examples are as follows:
1. The club president advising members that fees for next year, that will be set in a couple of weeks, may by $1800 or even higher but this may be with a subscription free year the following year. Contrary to the information presented at ST Pats earlier this year. They may also not be set at this price, who knows? 2. When asked if there was an option or plan B on what the clubs plans were at the moment, we were told there is no plan B. Very concerning that there appears to be little or no investigation into other options the club can look at moving forward. Prior preparation and planning are essential.
3. Diagrams presented to the members highlighted a part of the course that we were told would not be a part of the irrigation upgrade. This was our current hole 8 and 9. No reason to why this area was excluded.
4. The financial papers presented to date have not encouraged me in anyway as to the scrutiny or diligence that may have been applied to them by the Board or management. They would in my opinion never meet the standards of a simple annual audit presented to members.
I am continuing with the petition for a couple of reasons.
1. Being honest and truthful are important values that I place on organisations, individuals and entities that I am involved with or have business dealings with. I have been engaged in transactions of this size and above that required scrutiny and diligence applied to them. My belief in this matter is simple, I believe we have not been told the whole story or advised of all the detail or at least at a level that allows members to be able to make informed decisions. The withholding of information and being sparse with the truth is not honest.
2. We are constantly advised of the legacy and history of the club, and it is a long proud history that we have. However that history means little if the club is not operating in a few years. The financial mis-management and under reporting on financial matters would indicate to me we have less than 8 years left if we continue to spend and lose money at the current rate.
3. I have been involved in Iwi and government relationships for many years, I have seen and heard many plans presentations and ideas that were completely fabricated, the clubs presentations to date have that same feel.
We have a huge task ahead and that is to ensure the financial viability of the club is not wasted on ideas that have not been researched and evaluated by individuals with no connection or benefit to the ideas or plans presented.
There are club members that are of the same opinion as mine and I intend to support the club as we move forward in the future. This may require standing for the Board, generating our own SGM’s, constantly seeking the truth and continually questioning our Board on the plans and direction of the club.
They are going to in my opinion waste a significant amount of money re-jigging the front nine. We have had that vote and it was passed. This is a bit like reorganising the deck chairs on the Titanic.
We need to ensure any funding beyond what has been asked in the front 9 reorganisation is not released. The limited funds we will get from the airport in different tranches will be the only funds available to ensure the club has any sort of future at all. We cannot let these be squandered on half-baked ideas covered in fairy dust.
I look forward to your support and appreciate and suggestions or ideas you may have and are willing to share.
Noho ora mai
Mike Hinton
Ball Escape 2nd Hole
2023-08-04 23:38:21Hi Everyone
It is important that we all understand the argument around ball escape on the 2nd hole and what we could do to mitigate what’s happening.
- The Facilities committee recommended to the Board 2 years ago, a shoot restricting what shot can be played with a lowered back Tee block. This would take away the option of the high draw shot and the big slice, from many right handers as has already been proven by the use over the lower tees for the last couple of months.
- An improved landing area completely taking out the first grass bunker and resculpturing the hill area.
- Introducing a number of sand or grass bunkers along the tree line, in the major second and third-shot-hitting zones will significantly improve the ball escape in these areas. Review where we need to replace and introduce new screens.
- Now that the trees have overgrown, some of them rendering them redundant.
The facilities committee were also majorly concerned that reversing 2 and 5 would enable big left-handed slicers and big right-handed hookers of the ball, to hit a golf ball in southerly conditions over the trees would introduce even more ball escape to the residents along the boundary who had never experienced it before.
There is an historical argument with regard to infill housing along the 2nd boundary and as the golf club was here first, the infill housing has magnified the problem. If we make the changes proposed ie change the directions of 2 & 5, we risk having made the change pushing ourselves into a corner where we have no options left.
We need to learn from the lessons of Chamberlain Park, where they had to close 3 holes in 2021 and manage the concerns of the neighbours. This is something which we have not been doing recently and has a number of neighbours pretty upset.
Changing the direction should be the last option not the first!
Nga Mihi,
Mike Hinton
LET'S GET MIRAMAR MOVING
2023-08-04 05:15:09Morena Evan
We have asked for some time now for a detailed breakdown of the $4.064m.
But what you provided yesterday which split out the $4.064m was a summary of costs that did not provide the detail requested. The amount of professional fees seems excessive and consent costs seems inordinately high.
1. Can you please advise what these fees are for and why they are excessive?
We have been given no indication as to the level of disruption to the course and the playing of golf.
2. What levels of disruption do the Board anticipate and when can the members expect this to happen?
We have been advised separately that the Forsyth Barr funds will be drawn down to meet payments as they fall due. There has been no mention of that in any communication from the Board prior.
3. Will any of the Forsyth Barr funds be drawn down to meet payments? What levels of approval are needed for this to happen?
We want things to happen promptly and believe that the reshaping (with all those costs involved) of the front nine is unnecessary.
4. If the motion is rejected by the members on Monday, what is your alternative plan and would the board consider leaving the front nine intact as it is?
I believe that most of the members would vote for a resolution that:
- Essentially leaves the existing front nine intact and excludes the proposed Par 3 course and outdoor café area;
- Provides for a two-tee option on each hole;
- Provides for two temporary greens (at little cost) to enable 18 holes to be played for the period up to 31 August 2024 or when WIAL take possession of the entire back nine on 1 January 2025;
- Leaves the existing 2nd and 5th holes in their existing direction and resolve the ball escape by other means which are available;
- Provides for water storage and pump house on the MGC remaining land;
- Utilises as much of the existing irrigation piping that remains in good condition as inspected and confirmed by Peter Grant from Parkland;
- The Course Upgrade & Redevelopment costs less than the $4.064m as currently indicated. For that reason, I will vote against the existing proposed redevelopment. I would fully support something simpler and with less disruption.
Many petitioners that I have spoken to are not opposed to the construction of a driving range and clubhouse extensions however this will again be determined once more detailed business cases are presented.
I have added this to the comments in the "Save Miramar Golf Club's existing Front 9..." petition https://www.petitions.nz/save_miramar_golf_clubs_existing_front_9
and am now asking that the Board answers the four questions and responds via email to all MGC members before 5pm Friday the 4th August. This is to ensure we all know what is being voted for this Monday night and is a fair and reasonable request.
Nga Mihi,
Mike Hinton
IMPORTANT: PLEASE DO NOT CAST YOUR VOTE UNTIL AN UPDATE IS PROVIDED
2023-07-31 01:37:05Due to many questions received from people who have signed the Petition, as well as those that have not, there is still a lot of confusion on what is being voted on at next Monday nights SGM.
I would ask for everyone to hold off voting until the weekend if they are not attending as there will be an update provided toward the end of the week.
Thanks
Mike Hinton
RE: Meeting Held Tuesday 25/07/23 at Deloittes Office concerning the future of MGC
2023-07-27 02:06:33Kia Ora Evan,
Thanks for the opportunity of meeting with us last Tuesday at Deloittes Office concerning the future of MGC and particularly the proposed SGM that members have now been notified is being held in a couple of weeks’ time.
I would like to summarise what I believe was discussed and agreed as the way forward being:
- The meeting was held so that yourself, Doug Pollock, and Thomas Pippos (Chair of Deloittes and Member of MGC) could run through the financial scenarios for MGC’s future direction as well as answer any questions those invited may have. The members who attended were myself, Charles Purcell, Tony Short and Nick Hearn.
- Thomas introduced himself and that his role in this exercise was to provide advice from a Financial perspective and confirm that Deloittes had been engaged to investigate the future business proposals MGC were considering.
- Charles first raised his concerns of how the information provided to members keeps changing and saw it particularly confusing when it required Members to vote on the next steps MGC is to take. Case in Point includes from MGC AGM December 2022 where Option 2 was voted in to further investigate the business ventures of what had been presented to members in September 2022 being a shortened 9 holes, 6 Hole Par 3 Course, Driving Range, WETA Adventure Golf Facility, Café and Bar upgrades. Then on 12 June 2023 a Presentation held at St Patricks College showed some changes to this where the Par 3 Course was now 9 holes, the Driving Range had changed in length and orientation and the WETA Adventure Golf Facility had mysteriously disappeared, not to mention the offer to buy the Front 9 from a Property Developer.
- Then as received last Sunday 23 July 2023 advising Members of a Special General Meeting to be held Monday 7 August. The scope requiring voting had changed to only include the upgrade of the Front 9 holes and infrastructure, as well as to change rule 31c (a).
- From this it was agreed that an Appendix be sent to Members explaining in more detail what they are voting on and clarifying that decisions on the Clubhouse Upgrade, Par 3 Course and Driving Range are still being investigated, including WIAL’s own investigation, and further SGM’s would be held when information on these was confirmed.
- Tony suggested that Course Plans were included with the voting paper to show exactly what course configuration is being voted on ie as indicated in the Presentation as ‘Disrupted, re-routed 18 holes available’
- The inclusion of 2 or 3 new or temporary greens mentioned on the ‘Implementation – Short Term Plan’ within the SGM Notice needed to be clearer, ie are they new or temporary, and explained to voters. Discussions on this were had with different opinions however it was agreed that the proposed new greens could be used when MGC loses access to the back 9 in 2025 and be used to vary the course length or revitalise other greens meaning the existing Front 9 length will not change but have variation to how it is played. It was also agreed that this will mean the Par 3 Course could not exist and possibly mean the outdoor Café area is not possible.
- The costings on the Course upgrade were questioned and discussion included - is the $700k that was explained in the FAQ’s as being ‘allocated to the design and costing project just completed’ included within the ‘Redevelopment Costings’ also indicated in the FAQ’s totalling $3M and Doug confirmed that it was not meaning the total Consulting Costs amount to $3.7M. Also, the Course Upgrade costings include $1M Professional Fees for what essentially is a $3M upgrade meaning a 33% Fee. This was seen as not realistic and only a way of spreading the Fees amongst all works, including Clubhouse and Range therefore should be realistically changed on the Voting Papers and ensure no misinterpretation. A full schedule supporting the $4,064,853 will be provided. Lastly do the final figures include or exclude GST and Doug suggested included however some confirmation should be included on the figures provided.
- WIAL’s interest and due diligence investigation on the purchase of the Clubhouse and Carpark was discussed. MGC original concept of running the Café, Bar and Conference Facilities seems to have disappeared for perhaps good reason so how realistic is it that WIAL will see any difference? Yes they are wanting the Driving Range to be built but as Thomas mentioned further analysis of the driving range was being completed by Deloittes and MGC will be notified of these in due course.
- There was no discussion as to how the proposed works were to be funded if they require payment prior to the receipt of the next instalment from WIAL.
- Charles also suggested that the ‘What 2025 could look like’ be removed from Notice as apart from the course and infrastructure upgrade proposed, the other outcomes are speculative and present very confusing and possibly wrong outcomes.
Once again thanks for this opportunity and I hope that in the long run MGC Members will be more certain as to what they are voting for, and the realism of proposals being voted on.
Feel free to respond.
Nga Mihi,
Mike Hinton
Further to the Miramar Golf Club Members Presentation - Monday 14th June
2023-06-21 01:42:08Hi Everyone
Thanks to all the 82 confirmed members of the Miramar golf club who have signed the petition. Please feel free to send it along to any other members who has the best interest of the club at heart.
I would like to thank all the signees of the petition who also came along to the Presentation on Monday12th June and asked questions, I have to say there were more questions than answers. In an effort to use this area as a forum to discuss what is happening we will from time to time keep you updated with what some of us are working on and if you feel there is something you would like to share or contribute please feel free to do so buy using the petitions contact area.
Please see below the following for your information:
- One Members take on the Presentation.
- A more in-depth look as to why we should retain the front 9 footprint but rework the problem areas to minimize ball escape, upgrade the irrigation /water storage and build additional tees blocks ensuring a first-class 18 holes course.
- Copy of Letter Sent to MGC Board of Management arising from Members Presentation - Monday 14th June
One Members take on the Presentation
- The future of golf, along with other sports, showed that there is a market for what is proposed within the MGC ‘Master Plan’ based on Golf NZ’s presentation.
- The Design of the Course and the Clubhouse had reduced in scope mainly the reduced length of the Driving Range (105m!), no WETA Adventure Golf and no addition over the existing Toilets for the originally intended Virtual Golf and Administration Offices, however the Bar and Café have stayed the same.
- The Project Manager went through the expected Programme finishing all works by October 2025 (32 months away). Although not detailed it looks as though the new Front 9 will start along with the Clubhouse alterations from September 2023?
- The Driving Range will not start until September 2024 once the Clubhouse and new Front 9 are completed?
- The expected cost for this work (including a projected $1.8M deficit) as indicated in Deloitte’s Cash Flow Analysis is $23.9M and includes 10% Contingency and Possible Inflation. Does this include the $1.8m deficit…if so I think we should put in?
- The ‘Essential Upgrade’ Option is expected to cost $9M, plus Contingency and Inflation.
- Wainuiomata, Karori and Otaki are offering MGC reciprocal rights to their course for casual and competition golf.
- Thames Pacific Developers have now offered MGC with an offer of $50M to purchase the remaining front 9 course although A Deed of First Refusal between WIAL and the Club, under the WIAL have first rights to this land.
A more in-depth look by another member as to why we should retain the front 9 footprint but rework the problem areas to minimize ball escape, upgrade the irrigation /water storage and build additional tees blocks ensuring a first class 18 holes course.
The proposed length of the new 9-hole course is under 2500 metres and even when played as 18 holes, this will be under 5000 meters which is 600-700 meters shorter than the existing 18-hole course.
The constraint of having to play 18 holes as 2 rounds over 9 holes on a shorter length layout will limit the capacity of how many members and green fee players can play in one day, whereas a longer 9-hole layout will increase capacity allowing us to retain more members and also earn a larger revenue.
The reason given for having a shorter length 9-hole layout is to allow room for a par 3, 9 hole course jammed in between the driving range and the front 9. What is the expected revenue of the pitch and putt course and will this revenue offset the lost revenue by having less capacity on a shortened 9-hole layout?
The recommendation of the two governing bodies of golf [USGA and R&A] have indicated that the average golf course length in Australia and new zealand should be 5977 meters, so why would you want to shorten our front 9 to a distance under 2500 meters? We currently have 9 holes that are 3000 meters; enabling us to play 18 on the 9 as a competitive length course.
It is very obvious to many of us that we are going to lose many senior club members when the Board are only offering the members a junior/beginners length course of under 2500 metres? Proposing that if the members want to play 18-holes, they must travel 2-3 hours to another golf course.
Copy of Letter Sent to MGC Board of Management arising from Members Presentation - Monday 14th June
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Dear Evan
Thank you for your presentation last Monday and have to say it has left most of us with more questions than answers. In an effort to gain more clarity I have collated a number of questions from the “petition group” and ask that they be included in the FAQ page the board is compiling together with the responses.
- The new venture is to provide a sustainable future for the Club so what is the income each business unit will generate and under what underlying assumptions?
- What is the predicted turnover and net income under the new subscription regime, for the nine-hole course, for the bar and restaurant, the driving range, virtual golf and the par three course?
- How long will it take to recover the expected costs through these new business ventures?
- There is reference to present annual visitations to the Club of 54,000 increasing to 102,000…what arrangements have been made with WIAL for access and parking?
- If WIAL provides the parking, how much will it cost MGC?
- Will the full sub of $998 entitle free play at Wainui, Karori or Otaki?
- What is the cost from these clubs to Miramar?
- There have been a lot of questions around clarification of the 9/18-hole matter, mainly will we be able to book & play 2 consecutive 9-hole rounds to hand an 18-hole card in?
- Can we have a cost breakdown of the ‘Essential Upgrade’ as well as the ‘Redevelopment’ across its component business units including The Scott Mcpherson Front 9 Design, plus the Nine Hole par 3 course, water storage and irrigation?
- If the Driving Range and 9 Hole Par 3 course were seen as not financially feasible then what impact would this have on the Café and Bar Proposals and would there be any need for the proposed redevelopment of the front 9?
- Under the sale Agreement to WIAL, the full $21M owed to us by WIAL is payable when they occupy the back nine. How will the board “cost” any deferral of the final settlement monies?
- Two Construction Project Managers raised their concerns of only a 10% Contingency being used and mentioned that based on their experience and depending on the documents priced from they have used between a 20 – 30% contingency so what has the 10% contingency been based on?
- If the Grand Proposal of the Course is approved, how can we play Interclub during the alterations?
- Can we have an analysis of costs across the various professionals so that we can see how much has been spent on getting the project to the position it is at now?
- The matter of expansion was first raised at the AGM in December 2022…when will draft minutes of that meeting be posted?
- You have committed to providing a quarterly financial update…when will the financials for the quarter ended 31 May and revised projection to 31 August be released to Club members?
We would appreciate these questions being answered within the next 2-3 weeks as they do have a direct bearing on the immediate future of our club. All of us offer our continued support and if there is anything that we can do to help or assist with please do not hesitate to ask.
Kind Regards
Mike Hinton
PS. I have also posted these questions and other information to the announcement section of the petition which is available for all members to sign at Save Miramar Golf Club's existing Front 9...
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Once again a big thank you for all your support and loyalty to the Miramar Club and let us hope that we can get some cut through with the questions we have asked.
Good Golfing Mike Hinton
Mike Hinton
Save Miramar Golf Club's existing Front 9 Petition
2023-06-08 02:37:51Hi Everyone,
I would like to thank all of you who have signed the petition showing your support. I can only say the texts and words of support from many of you have been greatly appreciated.
Our job is not done and I would like to ask each and every one of you to attend the Golf Club meeting at St Pats next Monday. I know many of you will have questions for our board, but if doing so at such a meeting isn’t your thing, please feel free to email through your questions and I will collate and ask on your behalf.
Further to the club information sent out recently, I include the Miramar Golf Club Board Minutes dated 08/05/2023 View Here for your reference. Unfortunately the minutes of the Board Meeting of 17th April which disbanded the elected Facilities Committee and Governance Committees are unavailable.
I truly believe that the very survival of the Miramar Golf Club will be determined by preserving the existing Front 9 (2,990m) ensuring all MGC Members have the option to play either 9 holes or 18 holes with two Tee Blocks and multiple Tees on every hole making a truly competitive 18 hole course.
I look forward to seeing you at the meeting.
Kind Regards
Mike Hinton
Mike Hinton